I load them to just over 1,200 fps. You could see he was definitely sizing [P.J] up, Smith said. Curiosity got the better of them, and they managed to discharge the canisters in their hotel room that night. Shock Wave or the Tac-12 pistols leave a bigger hole ! Hardly know its even there. However, the realization that you might have to use one to defend against a couple-hundred pounds of teeth and fangs doesnt exactly make one feel like Zorro; in fact, I looked down at it and said to myself:This is gonna hurt. The reverse is not true. Automatic option for black bear other than a10mm that youll never carry any other time. coastal brown bear looks like at a distance of 50-75 feet! Any wildlife that is killed will remain the property of the state and will be reported to the division within five days. Mountain lions will usually stay within their own habitats and hunt for their own food sources. Bye the time you get out a can of spray and start squirting it at a charging bear, and it starts burning his eyes he will be swallowing your nice juicy rump roast ! Mountain Lion Attack Stopped by Man with Handgun in 2010, Teenager Sexually Assaults Friends Mom, Gets Rejected at Gunpoint, TTAG Daily Digest: Actually Shooting Someone, Ratings Kryptonite and the NRA in the Time of Trump. My rule of thumb is the minimum is 4-3-1. Do you have a rare 5-shot model, or just down to your last five cartridges for the photo shoot? 3-6 .357 mag with 200g hardcast at 1250fps or more, depending on barrel length. 44 mag power in a high cap auto loader. I want POWER ! carry the biggest piece of iron that you can place multiple rounds accurately and in very little time, amigos.. Before any bear country hunt I practice with it a lot. If that is the mountain lion in the background why is it field dressed. I havent seen any of his Buddys to verify his story, But they like Jack, they have all passed away. Can you show any proof that we are destroying anything? I have both the Governor and a Public Defender Judge, but no steel framed .45 Long Colt guns. In general, 10mm, .44 magnum, or better seems like the best choices (including .454 Casull). Bears have a way of sneaking up on you. I live in Alaska and Ive turned a Glock 21 into a 460 Rowland. As I think about it, I very well might start doing what commenter New Continental Army suggested: carry two guns. The key is putting the projectile in the right spot. . Yes I admit, Im a revolver person. We hadnt thought of that. Hopefully, this link will work. What to do? wolves I live in Alaska. But, I still have the Marlin. I dont shoot them well enough, fast enough to satisfy me, 2. I sure wanted to sit and talk to him about all the storys they brought back. They invited me out and told me that if I go, be forewarned that there are grizzlies about. They were highly experienced survivalists. and I usually see a grizzly when I hunt almost within sight of Cody Wy. The child was scratched by the cats paw when the lion was spooked by gunfire. 1st Bullet passed completely through the animal head to rump. Not trying to be cute, but when you slaughter a hog, you shoot them in the head. First round 00 buckshot then slugs. I do not shoot rabid animals in the head for fear of spreading the rabies virus from the brain, I do not know if this is true or not but thats what Ive been told. At night you may wish a good shotgun and buck shot. Your email address will not be published. Spent half my working career in Alaska, hunted, fished, hiked. If you get to take a shot while standing, you should be making an effort to evade an attack while at the ready. My wife carries an old Model 60. Lighter, cheaper, and much better statistics than any conceivable 38spl load. Both are excellent sidearms but leave something to be desired when confronting big game in the boonies. The lion can then be shot and removed, or tranquilized and transplanted at least 300 miles (480 km) away. It can be very difficult to bring down a rabid animal. 1. most likely you sleep in your rig also. When it comes to the coastal brown bear, thats a whole different animal. Not being a cougar hunter, didnt pay much attention to it. Even then, I havent seen a failure in nearly 10 loadings, at which time I usually get rid of them. A long barrel revolver or pistol in very close quarters. A 45 Long Colt? I took a 29 S&W 6 .44 mag. You need to shoot a few of the +Ps every Spring to remember where they are hitting. You might not have the accuracy from the first two mentioned as you would the latter, but at the close range that a bear attack would occur I think that would be a moot point. What do you know! Great point with the Redhawk recommendation! I purchased the gun from the nephew of an Alaskan Guide who had to kill several large browns with this same revolver. I read that several times as well. 480 ruger penetrated steel railroad plates by hitting so hard, the steel cracked and shattered. Bullets dont tend to divert in the wind at the necessary defensive distances. Its certainly not the lightest sidearm weighing in at just over 3 pounds, fully loaded in its holster but when Im forced to enter bear country, I have absolutely no worries. What can a .38 special kill? With the exception of Mr. Shoemaker who has more experience than I will ever even hope to have bigger seems to be better. Or even a simple GLOCK 10mm like the A.H.P. Told me to that towards evening they made Camp during Daylight Hours. You should first attempt to fire a warning shot to scare off the lion before it attacks. My first handgun was just that at age 18, and now I tote a Blackhawk Hunter in .45, loaded with 325 gr HC with GC and 22 grains of H-110 (Ruger Blackhawk or Thompson Contender ONLY!!!) Handloads push a 300-grain to just over 1,000 fps, so it just cracks the code. 7.62 mm (.32 cal) out of a necked-down 9mm case. Id wager that Ive walked within feet of bear and cougar many times without realizing that they were there. Though perhaps semi-obsolete, if not obsolete for law enforcement I often have to carry elk quarters out in the Bitteroot mountans, which is heavy populated with wolves, grizzly, black bear, and moose, all of which I have had numerous too close for comfort encounters where Ive had to draw down. that will allow the bullets to be seated and crimped .100 further out than factory specs. thanx again. Changing, yes, but then you look at the ravages of the recent volcanoes and all the CO2 released. In the end the animals will lose as even the anti-hunting crowd will realize that dangerous animals cannot be tolerated around civilization as there is no room for both humans and dangerous animals or wild animals that destroy crops. If I had not shot the hog with a .44 Magnum I think it would have ended very badly. Hard cast bullet are the best for bear defense, they will penetrate like nothing else out there. The experience led me to think about bear, cougar, and moose encounters that can happen on my property. you spent 6 weeks on the road system not the boondocks If you are in the boondocks whatever that means? style bullet or a solid jacketed bullet with a large flat meplat no mater the caliber used. I shot a 1000+ lb. However, should you have the misfortune of getting between a sow and her cubs, or perhaps meet a cantankerous old boar, the black bear certainly has the equipment to rearrange your anatomy, and even possibly render your birth certificate null and void. You can love a single action revolver but you wont find an Alaskan guide or hunter carrying one, or a semi-auto pistol without a 45-70 or 338WinMag at the ready. Texas Teens Getting Carry Licenses! Nope, no way. LOL. I prefer to carry a .460 Roland built on .45 Colt ACP 1911 chassis. Even with the hottest 460 I find the revolver to be controllable. # 3. While being careful not to say Bear Spray is the Cats meow.. (something to do with not wanting to have their pants sued off by someone who follows their articles advice and whose relatives sue? Not an expert by any means, just always loved the horribilis in the name, denoting the end result of chance meeting with an angry Grizzly in a dark alley. Poisons, like these rodenticides, harm lions. But so Though it is illegal under state law to kill a mountain lion to protect a pet, CPW has decided not to press charges. Mag seemed the best choice, at 100 yds a 375 H&H appeared even better, and at 25 feet a 155 mm didnt seem large enough! Fly fishing in AK, and knocking around the woods I often carry a stainless charter target bulldog in 44 special. 1988 a Montana Fish and Game Officer utilized same handgun to dispatch a Grizzly 357. Ill stick I like the S&W 460 as well. While Snap decisions in day to day life are a bad idea.. The black bears have been stopped with pistols, rifles, shotguns and once with an ax. They truly are amazing creatures: When you're out strolling in the woods, there's no way for you to defend yourself from a mountain lion using an air rifle. Really. I rather be over gun then under gun. killed a mountain lion years back with a 3 inch 629, 240 grain hollow points, was not impressed. You should just mount a 50 cal. You have entered an incorrect email address! With speed loaders in the hands of a competent shooter, the revolver can be reloaded almost as quickly as a pistol. Great article. Schalow was 10 years old at the time. Always do your homework before entering any unfamiliar land, especially bear infested areas so you will be acquainted with these and other survival techniques including escape routes should you encounter an emergency situation. From all I know and all Ive read, .357 may work for black bear, but a larger caliber is better. not litter the landscape. Year later, shot a black bear same ammo, but out of a desert eagle way better results. Sheep and goats are the most commonly killed domestic livestock, but mountain lions also kill cattle, For self defense/house protection/ Absolutely. No thanks. Folks need to realize that most .45 Colt cases are not strong enough to handle those high pressure loads even if the gun could. and females' territories can range up to 60 square miles. He saved them both, barely, with his .338 rifle. You are on the Alaskan highways lets get that straight. 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